About lost Debian NM applicants

Sunday, December 11. 2005

About lost Debian NM applicants

As it looks like blogging is now the preferred way of sharing your thoughts, I guess I'll have to answer in my own blog to the problems starting with Thomas Hood post about withdrawing from the NM process.

Some people have replied to this and I think I should present my position, as I'm the most active of the unresponsive NM Front Desk, yaddayaddayadda.

Until Thomas blogged, I did not know that he considered the missing report as an issue.

To clear up the situation: Thomas completed all stages of the AM checks after he was reassigned to Alexander (formorer) this spring.
When Alex wanted to prepare the reported, he noted that some mails from the conversation between Madkiss (the old AM) and Thomas were missing. No problem, FD to the rescue, I still had those mails in my archive. After these initial problems, Alex' daytime job needed a lot of attention, so he didn't write the application report. I kicked him on a regular basis to do so, but it needs time and is not really very interesting, so it got delayed.

OK, that delay is not a good thing, but Alex told me that he planned to do the report on Saturday. Yes, this delay is quite annoying if you worked so hard and always had to wait for your AM to check your stuff and blabla. Now, the problem I have is that in this case, it's simply not true. Madkiss was assigned as AM to Thomas for 18 months - of these 18 months, 15 were spent waiting on a reply from Thomas to the usual NM questions.

Thomas, I can understand if you don't like the templates and think that they're boring, useless and whatever. But don't blame other people for time you have lost.

Posted by Marc Brockschmidt at 22:15 | Comments (4)

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This reaction of yours nicely illustrates one of the main reasons for my not wanting to be associated with Debian.

#1 Thomas Hood on 2006-03-31 16:56

You're free to feel that way - but backing away from a project instead of trying to change it in a way you consider right will neither help you, the project or people in a situation similiar to yours.

#1.1 Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt (Homepage) on 2006-03-31 20:49

It does help me. I am really enjoying the feeling of not having my work blocked by lazy people with power.

As for the project: it's the members' responsibility to fix it. I offered to become a member, presented the required evidence of my competence and motivation, jumped through the required hoops... and was not accepted. So the responsibility remains all yours. Oops, except that Debian doesn't have an institution of responsibility (constitution 2.1). Never mind.

As for other people in my position, I help them by warning them not to get into NM unless they want to be treated like shit.

#2 Thomas Hood on 2006-03-31 23:16

Sorry, but whatever your opinion of your acts is - I believe that backing out from something one wants to make better because it's not easy is not a good move - it's a very bad move, showing how worthless one's intentions are. If you want to change something, you have to work! If it's pinging, nagging, kicking, screaming - doing something is the important part.

And really, you've wasted most of the time you were in the NM process. I can't understand how you, after wasting an AMs time by being unresponsive, are able to feel good about insulting other people for taking more time than you'd like.

But whatever, it's your decision to do what you want. As long as you're able to feel good about the stuff you have done and still do, it's fine by me.

#2.1 Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt (Homepage) on 2006-04-01 00:01

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